attygww... go into any search engine to look for a Warez forum.... check out that forum for Poser-related posts... you'll find more of those then you will for 3D Studio MAX, Lightwave, or Maya.... Why? Because, the people who download software online can much more easily find those programs? Why is this? Because, CL has invested a large amount of time and money into shutting down the sites that offer Poser and ProPack, because those products are their sole source of income. As per the security... I like, like you, am firstly agitated by the annoyance factor this will present... but I do know for certain, that if I see definitive proof that my initial hang-ups about ProPack have been resolved, as well as them continually adding more features, I'll grin and bear it. It's not worth restricting yourself from using a piece of software because you don't like the installation method, so long as that software works. In my opion, PPP doesn't yet "work". When I see proof that it "works," I'll gladly drop my arguement and deal with whatever additional hassles I have to in order to use the software.... because i know, that if PPP does correctly EVERYTHING it's supposed to, then it would indeed be an AMAZING piece of software. I still won't like the hassle involved with installing Pro... but I'll gladly stomach it to get the better product, and be able to express my artistic vision more freely. (Damn, I'm playing Point/Counterpoint all by myself, aren't I?)