Thanks for the complement Tygercub, glad you like it. :) Canvus...ahhhh yes! Great idea, I can't believe that thought never even crossed my mind. But, with the 3 of you mentioning it, I will jump right not it. grumbles at self for not thinking of that one Engelken, thanks for the image, that really helps me to visualize how it should look. I actually have paint shop pro (5, I think), so I can try those effects. Ghostofmacbeth (cool name, BTW), my room mate suggested that same thing, perhaps I should give that a whirl after all. Thanks for all your help everyone. I'll try this stuff out and be back begging for help if it doesn't look right...although I bet it will. Take care all, Eryk