while i agree with what beryld said re pre ordering or not pre ordering i have no sympathy whatsoever for those building the p7 program and i don't want to take any courses in anything. it's their job,. they get paid to do it not me. they should do what it takes to put a working program on the market. if works all well and good if doesn't then they didn't do their jobs properley, end of story. if i buy software that just at least works but is bug ridden of course i'll complain. if the bugs are many i may even ask for my money back. any product should do what the manufacture says it will do

personally i'll wait and see if it has a better rigging and joint editing function. if it doesn't i'll stay with p6. i don't use it enough to warrant buying it unless these two specific items are covered.

billy