I have read all these related post and feel I should comment. First it is obviuos to me that most people who have posted do not own more expensive 3D apps. The more expensive 3D apps not only have a dongle you must use but require you to go through the same key code procedure Curious Labs is proposing. Dongles can be a pain in the ass. If they die you need to get a new one which can take several weeks. I think the direction Curious labs is moving in is not all that bad. It will slow down warez but not eliminate it. I understand their need to do this. If they dont you might as well kiss Poser goodbye. What does that mean? Well if you have an extra $5,000 lying around you can purchase Max and Character Studio have to deal with a dongle and a key code. I support Curious Labs efforts. Every major software vendor is implementing or has implemented similar procedures. Ron