Sorry, one more thing... As an aside, I know that CL is a small company, and that after the Metacreations thing, Poser could well have dissappeared. I applaud those guys for keeping it alive and kicking. I also know that as a small company, sometimes funds for advancements and such as not the same as say Discreet would have for 3D Max. I would rather see CL combine with one of the larger 3D powerhouses than one day go into the dust. Imagine, the ease of poser combined with the power and pizazz of max or lightwave. Dragontales (perhaps I need to go back to lunch, I seem to be rambling...lol)