Poser is great and not overpriced ... compared to other cgi programs. For me, software is generally overpriced. But Studio Max, Lightwave and Maya are designed for professionnal. These products are expensive because the people who use them make money with them. So, why isn't there two prices : - one for professional, artists, and so on who get money from their work. - one for hobbyists ( not sure about the spelling :) who use it for pleasure. If Max was available tomorrow with a license forbiding to sell work, at 200$, I'm sure it would sell pretty easily... Why should a person who make poser babes for his homepage pay the same price as an artists who makes profit from the program. The real power of Poser is the models by Zygote ( I started to look interested by Poser when I saw the models in the version 3 ). You can't create a whole new model in Poser. Mike and Victoria are the greatest addons to the programs, and you got to buy them appart. Everyone complained at least once about the renderer. We live with the limitations of Poser, and know how to trick them. But we are all waiting for improvements ! But it's because Poser is the only one in the place. Otherwise, CL would need to improve it greatly... Mass-market customers just deserve limited product ?? Many people talked about the Pro Pack and its possibilities to export to Max and Lightwave. If someone can afford such a program, don't you think he just need the models. Curious Labs complains about the warez and sells a program which exports to the most pirated softwares in the world. They want to sell a lot of PPP and they know many of their customers got pirated versions of max and lightwave. They can't not be aware of that. ( sorry off topic ) So, is Poser a professional tool or a mass-market tool. It was clear with Metacreations, but I'm not sure of what is happening now. I think that for a teenager who makes cgi for pleasure, it's overpriced, but for an artist who gains money, it's a underpriced :) So... what is the market ?! joelegecko