amacord & nomuse thx for the replies you've given me plenty to try out thx helping.....turning the model upside down could produce some interesting results lol.

Acadia once again thanks, I had in fact missed that thread, I'm at work as I read this (Lunch time....honestly!!!) so I will give it a better read when I get home and have poser open in front of me.

 

again thx all.