Mason, I said exactly the same thing :) Max and Maya for pros, and Poser for the others... But it looks like Curious Labs want to make Poser closer to those platforms, but when you got max you just need the models. So, what is the target market now ? Still overpriced for hobbyists and underpriced for artists... Don't you think Poser lacks features available in free programs ( good shadows-lights-and so on... ). I've read hundreds of complaints about these lacks. Good program for the common guy. You're right. Don't mistake yourself, I love it. But as a legal user, I got the right to put my finger where it hurts. Concerning the community support, I know about it and I think I made my part for the community:) You have Max ( and Character Studio ). Great. Sure that for someone who can afford this program, Poser is cheap :) joelegecko P-S : don't want to start an online argument, that's pretty boring so I'm happy I don't understand " daffed "... ;)