Joe, no-one is saying that you haven't made contributions to the community. I've been using your textures for Mike and, IMHO, they are the best.

I don't want to start an arguement either, but I do want to respond to what you said. No matter what target market they have in mind, it seems many markets have come to embrace Poser. Hobbyist and professional. I think the Pro Pack is a great way for CL to provide for the needs of the professional because it's giving them a tool that they can use with the software packages they are already using (LW and MAX) rather than trying to compete with those packages. MAX and LW don't have so many ready-to-animate figures, and rather than re-setup the Poser characters to use in those programs, its easy to animate them in Poser and then simply import them into you MAX or LW scene. Sure it might not be the best solution for a main character in Final Fantasy, but its perfect for creating a crowd of characters that sit in the background of your scene.

For hobbyists as myself who are able to afford a more powerful program like Lightwave...they may love Lightwave's render engine and modelling tools, but they might not be ready to rig up characters and animate in Lightwave yet. Poser Pro Pack allows me to do what I have been doing in Poser, but also take advantage of the supperior rendering, lights and cameras in Lightwave.

Also, from what I've read, it looks like they may be implementing a raytrace render engine in Poser 5...they are listening to those hundreds of complaints.