JKeller, you're right ! I flamed Curious Labs while I'm using their product quite everyday... I read earlier posts from CL employees, and I understand their situation. I ask them to apology my previous post full of anger... When I bought Poser, it costed me quite a month of salary. It was a hard period for me, but it helped me improve my skills ( there's still a lot to do :) and later, to find a job as CG artist. I'm sure Poser 5 will be great, but I still think it would be better to improve the program than the protection, and to make an all-in-one program with great features included instead of export functions. I understand than setting bones is a long process ( just to mention this one ), and importing .pz3 files should be great :) But among the whole user community, how many percent got Max or Lightwave ? ( I'm talking about legitimate users ). I think that a cheaper price would help Poser to sell better. Still overpriced for hobbyists ( who can't afford Max ;) and underpriced for artists who make money with it... Thanks JK' for making me realize that flaming this team I respect was not the solution. Will send a mail @ CL in order to be flamed too :) joelegecko