I do agree Poser could do with better material rendering settings. Not everything is smooth shaded in the world. Plus a light map would be awesome along with the bump and reflection maps. Also an ambient light would be great. Sometimes I don't want the three spotlights only for lighting a scene. Anyway everyone will argue price point. College kids will argue its not under $50. Average people will argue its not under $200. I still say compared to any competition out there for figure modelling nothing else comes close except maybe Animation master. I don't think lower price point will prevent all thefts. Winzip is like $15 or $20 to register and a lot of people don't regsiter thier copies. If the warez thing is so popular then people out there must be feeling its a great package to have or at least steal. Also, Joe, no arguement. Just joking about the daffed comment. Old saying for nutty.