I've been really vocal in my complaints about the Pro Pack's shortcomings, and frankly, I stand by them. It needs serious work and I'm sad that it was released so soon without this work in place. BUT, at the same time, I want to be among the many to acknowledge that in general, Poser is an EXCELLENT value in software, and the people who put it out and maintain it deserve our thanks and support (albeit with an occasional side dish of grumbling over needed changes and security methodology). Saying Poser is overpriced is just plain goofy. Likewise, Pro Pack will be worth its price WHEN it works. And you'll hear me say so publically as soon as it does. CL, I hope you all are not demoralized by the spirited debate here, and I hope you continue to strive to make your products better. --