Thank you! yes that would work well =) Thank you so much for your time and help here! You all have been great!! Ron from the technical page also figured out why I could not get poser to export objects for morph. LOL over a year now I have bugged first meta and then Curious labs and no one could tell me why I couldn't export for morphs. Poser refused to allow me to check or uncheck any boxes in the export. Everyone had me reinstalling over and over. Ron figured out why and gave me a practical workaround. I am still trying to learn now how to create morphs, but at last I have a working object to play with! (and I know now it wasn't totally my fault my morphs were coming out weird, just a crazy bug in poser) Thanks again!! RedMadrona