Angola, in the case of Microsoft, the world is in a state right now where are pretty damned near close to having absolutely no choice. You almost HAVE to buy Microsoft products if you use a computer at all. I am afraid, however, that with CL being a small company and the situation being as it is, that people may stick to their words and never purchase another CL product. That would disastrous for both CL and the Poser community. Ron... you show one example that you received by accident, apparently. And another one example that has since been remedied. I have since the time of my initial search I have found 2, maybe 3 sites that had PPP, sent off an email, and haven't seen them back. And those exclusive clubs are not quite as common as people here have assumed. If anything, I doubt that there are more then 2 or 3 remaining ones on the net which exist and actually have Poser or PPP. Not to badmouth Poser. I love and adore it. But there isn't quite the demand for it that there is for others. I will guarantee you that within 1 hour of searching I can provide at least 200 URLs which claim to have 3D Studio MAX and about 40 of those actually will have it. I actually have done this recently and notified Discreet of it. In one hour of searching, I will be "lucky" to have found 3 or 4 sites that offer just Poser 4, and if I'm really "lucky", 1 of them will have it (and of course I email Anthony the second I "luck out") These are the things that leads me to my belief that the warez distribution of PPP has not been as significant as CL claims it has been. But I think you have missed my point, Ron. SeaRose... I think my post shows obviously what "side" I'm on. I'm on the side of the community. There shouldn't be a fence. If we make a fence then we are considering CL as an outside party and not part of this community, much the way most Microsoft customers see them. I disagree with the amount of security they are choosing to enforce, because it will inconvenience the legitimate end users. I also believe they are being overparanoid and not taking the time to consider other possibilities then "Pirates". It's very easy to blame thieves for your problems... not as easy to even consider that it may be in part due to your own actions. If I had seen tens of thousands of copies of PPP flying around the net, then I'd agree that they were being harmed immensly by warez. As it stands, from what I've seen, I do not. But I'm still willing to help them locate anyone dishing the program out. But I also refuse to believe that they should be boycotted because of it [the security methods]. That's just plain ridiculous and will only serve to harm the community in the end.