Ditto. Installing or re-installing Poser gets more and more complicated, and more complications mean more that can go wrong, as I know from years of scuba diving and writing computer programs. Busy tone, lines down, sorry he's ill / on holiday / not in yet / in conference / etc, faint or noisy lines so I can't hear the code number as it is read out to me, the person reading the number out to me has a heavy foreign accent or a mouth full of chewing gum, having to ferret through a maze of recorded voices reciting lists of numbers telling me what to press for this and that option, the caller wanting the code does not know English well, etc etc etc. And if the caller is in about the same time zone as CL, perhaps he can't get to a phone during CL office hours due to his work. Please God spare us from that hassle. We seem to have here yet another case of a man thinking that everybody is as conveniently placed as he is, "delusion of standardness", e.g.:- Everybody is on the internet. Everybody has a car. Everybody lives in the USA. In England, everybody lives in the south. Everybody has easy access to a software shop that has everything on the shelf or can be got in 2 days. Everybody has a credit card. (I have never had one.) Everybody has a telephone. At work I was put on a duty of going round my department's computers checking them for ergonomics, and whoever made the form out thought that all PC's were on an office desk with an angle lamp and a rotating chair! :-) I found that more than half were on lab benches with lab stools, one in a fume cupboard, one in a steel cupboard that he had to open to use it, one on a trolley, two or more in a clusters linked to lab equipment, variations ad infinitum and never mind some office man's tidy efficient official ideas of standardness. I wonder how many people get software as warez because they can't find anywhere they can buy the software legitimately? At a nearby big software shop I have been told "Sorry, we haven't got it in, and we don't order things for people.". My experiences with buying Bryce and Poser are:- Bryce 3: a shop had it in. Poser 3: I ordered it from a shop in Westhoughton (Lancs,UK) and I had to wait while they got it in. Bryce 4 & Poser 4: I asked on Renderosity who was selling them legitimately, and I ordered them via the snail mail. In my case, I don't have to resort to warez, because often when I want something I write it for myself with my good old faithful Borland C++ 4.52 compiler.