dear mister hoadley! i am absolutely on your side in matters of "do not spend your tin on crappy poser-stuff", still i think that v3 (with all her flaws) has something to offer for everybody's taste. in the end, the only daz-purchases i do not regret are v2, v3 and the pteen. i do regret the purchase of UTC;) @ Qasar do not buy cheap textures. they are most likely copies of bases and merchant resources, put together somehow to pull out your money for an afternoon's "work" - ba....ds! "melanie and brandy" aint bad (sorry, too lazy to search for the link). Andi