@dphoadley, pakled actually i was looking for p5free, but that was long ago! i think it was a thread by mizrael that got me started. luckily i have it already (after waiting patiently for a couple of weeks. v3 is already in my runtime, and that rubberduck aiko....weeeell....shivers. thank you both for trying to help:) @Lucie, Mystic-Nights thank you, guys, i've found it! A.