Egi.sys is actually smaller than us. Keep in mind that this is not released and we are in the process of setting it up. It was very unfortunately leaked to the German press. Next time someone from a software company says they can't talk about future plans, THIS situation is exactly why. We can't get access to the LW and 3Ds dongles. One because the Max dongle no longer exists and my guess is that LW may soon follow, although I don't know for sure and they've made no statement to that effect, and two, that would require us licensing use which again is aproaching $30 a shot. Even if we don't actually purchase the HW itself. Pro Pack CD contains relatively little info, unlike Poser and Bryce. A CD image would be quite easy to distribute and is being distributed. We considered burning a required 200MB file onto the disk but then that would require the CD. Bryce users complained a lot about the fact that that had to put the CD in every time they launched. Iwas managing the QA dept. when Bryce 4 was in development. And that was easy to crack. Egi.sys is currently looking into German law. as far as the rest of Europe, I don't know and can't comment on that. **************************** Steve Yatson Product Manager Curious Labs Http://www.curiouslabs.com ****************************