Let's just say that I know my version of Poser works now, along with my Pro Pack. I have CD's for both and I have the update for Poser on CD. So that means if they go belly up I will still be able to use Poser. I'm not going to even upgrade to Poser 5 if it costs too much so I'm not going to worry about it at this point in my life. It's a fact of life that they are doing this. You can complain and threaten not to buy Poser, but it's in place and that is that. I'm not going to fry myself worrying about the what if's. It would be nice if something was kept in escrow, and that is what I was thinking when I suggested a patch, to have it put away safely somewhere. But whatever happens I will not worry about it until it gets here. If people don't like the update, then don't buy it. And I would suggest the CL give people the option of getting a refund for the Pro Pack, since it was released buggy and the option is to update with the new copy protection. I myself will be keeping my copy. Now, for a cup of tea, a walk about my garden and either a valium or a quick game of Quake III. 8^) Marque