Here's the fixed figure BTW. I apologize for not getting this to you sooner. I've been busy. :) The holes that showed up in the "swim trunks" area :)were in the "g spandex" groups. After each of those groups there would be a "g " group which I changed to "g empty" in a text editor. The previous version of the Pro Pack did not read or write empty group names. Poser 4 does. I can send the fixed CR2 file that has been tested in the previous Pro Pack, for you to post so that anyone with the "old" Pro pack will be able to use the content without problems. We really did consider this stuff as a reason. And have never made the claim that no one decided not to purchase because there were bugs. We feel that the biggest problem is warez. Yes bugs are part of it but a different issue. The updater addresses bugs, and that is it's main purpose. I have said that so many times now. But still, no one wants to talk about that. I have not had one request, other than from you privately regarding the holes in geoms, to talk about what was fixed. I have mentioned a few things but still can't go into great detail until we actually FINISH the updater. Again we looked at all the information we had and made the decision on the aforementioned basis. And before anyone jumps on that statement, I said "basis"! There were a lot of factors considered. Thanks again. 3D-CC rocks BTW. Larry loves that stuff. **************************** Steve Yatson Product Manager Curious Labs Http://www.curiouslabs.com ****************************