I think that you definitely need to protect the software Steve. Regardless of what sort of copy protection you end up using, as long as you continue to provide us with software that you constantly improve - I'll buy it! Poser is great and so is the Pro Pack. You "guys" (all 25) are great. Don't let all the CL-bashing get to you. The vast majority of us still supports you - and I'll bet that the rest will fall back into line once they see what you've got in store for the next version of Poser! Too many need something to rant about. I think I'd laugh my ass off (wish I could!) if Newtek ended up doing the exact same thing and got rid of the dongle. Then let everyone rant at Newtek!