I have been reading every single post over the past few days (that's over 100) on this subject and formulating replies in my head after every one. Now that I reached the bottom of this one I'm too tired to post any major reply. ;-) However, in short ... Sorry, but the analogy does not work at all, mainly because it is NOT protecting me, it is protecting YOU (CL) ... nd poorly at that! Could not agree more on the MANUAL IDEA ... and for heaven's sake, include a REAL manual with Poser 5 more than just for security reasons. If you want to make a PDF as well, great ... but for all that is righteous and good, PLEASE INCLUDE A PHYSICAL MANUAL. -Tim