whoop if youd have read my earlier posts thats what ive been saying from the start. CL is a small company, and it doesnt have the funding behind it that max or maya does. both of those products have either a hardware dongle or server-authenticated flex-lm license keys (which are much more secure methods of software protection than CL is proposing), and theyve BOTH been cracked within days of their being released. its very pretentious of them to think that their protection will hold up any longer. within a day of its release there will be a key generator out ....will it be worth angering their paying customers to have controversial spyware installed in their systems? (as far as i can tell by the number of threads the vast majority are pretty pissed off).... i dont know. i dont believe that copy protection is very effective, but i believe that SOME form of it is necessary becauuse it does curb piracy to some extent. im sure a lot of people who are so outspoken about refusing to install so-called spyware on their systems dont know that they already have some form of it installed anyways. im sure almost all of you have getright installed. :) either way i dont really care about it. if i believe that the software i am planning on purchasing violates my rights as a consumer i wont purchase it. but i wont try to talk other people out of buying it, and i wont harass the company either. its rediculous that these threads have gone on so much and all they do is go around in circles. i may not agree with their views on consumer rights, but i commend the employees of CL for so patiently answering all of these posts, and reading post after post of people trashing their company and telling them that they will never buy another CL product again and they will persuade all their friends not to either. telling them that CL is going to go out of business. my patience would have been at an end long ago. ive been skimming over some of the threads and the funniest thing is that the SAME PEOPLE who are now bitching and whining about the copy protection being implemented in poser were the ones who posted in favour of lynching the person who pirated antons models and screamed for a crusade against warez. what a joke. i honestly think that a lot of people come here just to argue. its about time people gave CL a break, theyve been great sports so far. if you dont like the protection then dont buy the program, but let everyone decide for themselves. these arguments are pointless. like i always say -- NOONE is ever going to change anyone elses mind, so why not save your energy for something more productive???