With all respects to the fight against warez and suchlike, but there are still are queries and points. JKeller wrote: Anthony, are you reading the responses from CL or no? They already said that it would be simple to authorize installation past the 3rd machine/configuration. All they have to do is check to make sure your serial number is not one of the ones being distributed on warez boards. If all that is done on 4th and later reloads off the same copy, is to check a number against a list, surely that could be done much quicker and more reliably automatically without wasting humans' time at both ends? Each copy of Poser has two serial numbers, X and Y. The user knows X. Y is hidden. He logs in to the internet and loads Poser. Poser contacts CL and automatically tells them his number X (and perhaps other information, see below). A bit of Java or Javascript running at CL automatically checks X against a warez serial number list. If X is valid, CL sends back automatically another number, Z. If Z is that copy's Y, Poser loads. All that humans need do at CL is from time to time put more numbers in the warez serial number list, and the only phone calls they need handle are from that wicked minority who persist in not having an internet connection. If so, will the number Y be the same every time that that copy is loaded? If so, a warez copy could include that number on an extra readme file without the warez user having to phone for it. And if Y changes every time that copy is loaded, according to some rule or another, that is another extra bit of mechanism that can go wrong. If the "three strikes and you're out" phone call can't be replaced by automation because it is needed for other purposes also, what are those purposes? It has been said that checks will be made on changes to the computer's configuration. How and when will those checks be done? When will the load be failed because the configuration has changed? If this involves Poser automatically telling CL what that computer's configuration is (and that would have to be done if CL is to find if the same copy has been installed on several computers), that is spyware, and in the name of the UK Data Protection Act many people would be wanting to know what was happening. JKeller wrote: They are not requiring the CD-Rom like Bryce does. Does Bryce now need the CD-ROM in every time it runs? My copy of Bryce 4 doesn't. IF so, thank God I bought my copy of Bryce 4 before that nuisance precaution was brought in. I bought Bryce 4 and Poser 4 together and they came with their manuals and are certainly legitimate copies. I prefer to leave my load CD-ROM's safely away in a drawer. I seem to remember my Bryce 4 needing the CD-ROM the first time I ran it after I loaded it. JKeller wrote: Email, faxes and telephone calls can get from the UK to the far side of the USA fairly quickly ... Email: if the server doesn't get overloaded and go slow. Phone and fax: if there are enough manned phone lines so people are not left hanging in a queue while their phone bill builds up. Etc as in other people's messages. Having the same work hours as CL could be a nuisance for many users also; there are many who can't get to a phone during working hours.