Now you guys all know why I don't do anything here but use the marketplace (and I've been a member since 2002)...and I've been hearing things in the last six months or so that are making me think twice about that association. If this place is so messed up, code-wise, that you have to resort to this foolishness, you need my services as a programmer. I've been a db admin for six years and worked with php websites for about 4 years. I work freelance and will happily present my requirements in terms of time and pay after I have gotten a look at the structural documentation for what you have now. Oh, and btw. Some of you might have seen me around other places. My user name is usually... Neferset