Lfnotter, I am mainly a texture person and not a modeler. All the morphs on the guy above are made by Traveler. I started with the morph that Traveler made to turn the P4 Male into a Teenager. Then added a few more morphs, saving just before adding another morph in case I messed up. The texture on it is from JohnOnTheRun, his vampire figure. The very base is the remapped P4Male (that I put up in Freestuff) where I've remapped the eyes so that they are in the same position that the eyes are on Victoria's Head Maps. Hair is Kozaburo's pony tail. I could pull off the texture and the hair and offer him as a free download...it's a thought. If you want to tinker yourself, then the starting point is that morph for making the male Teen. I also used Morphmanager a lot to shuffle morphs back and forth from figures that worked and those that didn't. I'm still not happy with the shape of the eyes, I'd like them to be slanted more and almond shaped...but hey, this guy is a dream compared to P4Male with no morphs at all! If you contact me by e-mail, I can send you the cr2 sans hair and texture map. drmspinner@earthlink.net Liz Pope Dreamspinner