Bloodsong, The tear is modeled in Max 4 and imported into poser. The reflection is set really low and the matirial is almost compleetly transparant with A dark grey coler set to it. I do it with cloths all the time to get them ti fit tight against the charectors. I will admit though, I would have done the intire thing in Max, but Win 2000 Pro. and max are having issues that I have not been able to corect yet. (Microsoft told me that they wont support AMD chips and to get a new system... Can you belive that.) Anyway I am right now downloading somthing that should help that issue out. I usualy do all of the posing and sceen work in Poser and the lighting and rendering in Max. Jeff, I was thinking about lighting her a little in a bit of a low muted green light, but am not good enough with the poser light sets to be that specific. I usualy don't beleve in post render work, but I did alot of the lighting details and texture wirk in Panter 3D and Photoshop 6. That is why the shoulder is more blery than the arm. The base textures are great, I don't know who made the original but it is called SubhashSkin. I doubled the resolition and sharpened it up a bit. The bump map is made from the same texture. Messing with the lights gets rid of the details. Tygercub, I though about that, but, I lost a really good friend when I was a teenager (I was in the hospital with the family), and remember her fathers face implisitly, as he held her after she was dead. It was a very powerful image and even 12 years later I remember every detail of his face. That was what I based the expretion on. His teath were gritted so tight I though they were going to shatter. I have got a good idea though it is with the lights and I know why... The stucko wall is rounded, and come out almost like a sphere. (The center comes out more than the edges) So the lighting does seem to be confusing with it, but I have no idea how to fix that. they are both the same light sorce. Hopfaly a reitrace shadow will help. -Gabe-