regarding the carrara image of the white pool with the two folks lip-locked - it's very good IMVHO. I recall litst or ringo explaining many years ago that one gets glowing water like that if the sum of diffuse colour and some other property adds up to more than 100%. so maybe one would turn the water colour to black or something. p.s. bill's bathtub image is very good as well. it shows that the right person can do excellent renders in poser, and that bad renders are due to user error, in most cases.