I loke the idea of the depth of field, that is defenatly good, and I should have thought of that considering I am a photographer, Bit the liteness I don't like. It looses power. The loighting I made harsh on purpous because it is a harsh situation. The detail on the skin and the arm has suffered as well because of it. The other thing is that that type of ilumination is idealistic "doesn't occure in the real world with out seting up extra lights and is not natural. But I think you got the right idea with the dept of field and having the background slightly out of focus. when i get it into max, I'll render it with a spacific dept of field to give that effect. thanks -Gabe-