I thank you for the nice coment. I will put it up here larer tonight I'm going to do a final render now it should take about an hour with the lenz effect and mesh displacments. As for left to right, that's interesting that you said that, because one of my college photo professors was japanese and argued the same thing from the opisit point years ago... needless to say, what he told me I guess sank in. If it is wrong then all good I learned somthing new. It's kinda nice to go over information that you got years ago, and see how much has acualy been forgoten or has turned automatic. when i shoot, I don't think of the tecnical aspect of photography, I just kinda know how it is going to look. It definatly wouldn't be a bad idea to brush up though. I'll post the new one soon. -Gabe-