nods to stahlratte i dare say that some 90% of poser "art" still looks like p4. accordingly, i am sure that 90% of poser "artists" would be perfectly happy with p4, because they don't use (or understand) the "bells and whistles" of p5 and beyond. well, apart from face_off's scripts, that is. i mean, how many of you guys who preordered p7 could tell me what HDRI is? btw, has the "glowing nostrils" problem been solved in p6? A.