Wow! Thank you, stormrage! I don't care what the bellyachers say about 'commercialization' of sites. I have just been in the 3D community a couple months, and the amount of free stuff around just knocks my socks off. Hopefully soon (when I have something WORTH posting) I'll be able to give back to the community that gives so generously. I have been having some luck with textures in photoshop, got some nice effects.... You guys are the best. Goldfire