Movida, I know I must be wrong but the way you worded your reply has me (and probably everyone else) believing that you advocate "casual copying." It gives the "friend" "time" to play with the software. I believe that you are 100% wrong that CL will lose "all the customers they would have had, if those "casual" copiers had played with the software long enough to know they wanted it" First of all it's ILLEGAL. Even when you "casual copy" it's a warez product - the difference is they don't get it via the web. "30 day evaluation copies are nonsense"? How long would you like? 60 days? 180 days? Hey, how about a year? Lightwave hasn't had a demo yet look where Newtek is. They don't have any problem in sales. World Construction Set, Onyx TreePro, Sound Forge etc., etc. do NOT have demos, yet people keep buying the products and they keep getting upgrades. And what does that have to do with CL anyway? And what would satisfy customers? Software for free? And yes, it would be nice to get money back on software that didn't perform up to what it was advertised to do. That is just one of the things that we live we, unfortunately. If we were really truly annoyed with the lack of performance of a product - we could probably spend an incredible amount of time writing to the software provider, etc. and end up getting our money back. But that really doesn't have anything to do with the topic of copy protection anyway.