as usual, the most interesting question is: WHY? why do so many people have such a bad opinion about poser? i think they judge by what they see in the galleries. they see: - no shadows - glowing nostrils - deformed joints - hair cutting through the shoulders - clothes that don't even touch the body - flat primitives papered with hires textures - bad mapping - bad lighting - and, and, and. and then there's people asking switches to high voice:"is what we do 'art'?" back to normal by seeing this without knowing or having poser of course they think: "poser is crap and poser-users are untalented looners." the bad image poser has in 3d-ing is bound thight to the shit flooding the galleries. quality control could help. look at: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2670450 A. ps: IMO it takes three qualities to get "good" results with poser. one has to be highly skilled, highly talented and highly patient. most people with those qualities go for better 3d-apps as soon as they have the tin.