I'm with PapaBlueMarlin. SIMS is an apt analogy for iClone. But hey, I like cheap beer as well as martinis, but Poser is the much better value, dollar-wise. Yeah, Poser CAN be fun; iClone is fun like a video game or a kid's artist program. Poser is fun the same way Final Cut Pro is fun; it's the creative aspects and the results that keep you coming back. But I stand by my criticism of Poser's animation interface, which is simply barbaric. I'm a video person who migrated to 2D animation then to 3D. I think Creative Labs tossed in animation as an afterthought at some point and is now struggling with a legacy interface. Poser needs a visual interface for it's animation, where you can see the motion paths and the image(s) in the control window. Imagine a control window where you can see your scene, and track the animation paths of control points through 3D space. If not that, then there should be at least an onion-skin feature similar to 2D programs. SS