Hi all, Thank you so much for taking the time to look and respond. I am going to mull over all of your comments for a bit longer before I respond. I realized my very first reaction was defensive, and that's silly. So I will let it sink in, put that silliness aside and really take it all in. On the topic of lighting though, ok, the latest one "professor" has some serious lighting probs that I knew, but lighting is something I have REALLY been working on, to the point where that often takes more time than the rest of the image... Here are some of the ones I worked hardest on to get the lighting just so: http://excalibur.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1309229 http://excalibur.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1269650 http://excalibur.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1267729 http://excalibur.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1314296 http://excalibur.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1331971 Do they too give the image I have no idea what I'm doing lighting-wise? I'm just trying to get a handle on the lighting comments and where I am with that particular skill. I will take a look at the links given and think about this some more.