Sheila, it's a defenite possibility! As sson as i'm happy with the finals, i'll look for a host(Maybe Planit3D), since they already have my Boxing stuff there. They are easier to do then you think. I just drew a Spline(Line with control points) that makes half the shape of it, then i simply droped it in a "lathe object"(Lathe is simply a process of revolving a shape around an axis, can be any angle between 1 & 360 degrees) & i can tell also how many "cross sections" to use, to have different resolutions... So, talent has nothing to do with it, just experience with all the 3D tools available to me... ;-) Actually, you could make them in poser by just using a Sphere & a cylinder & a bit of creative use of Magnets... Dos anyone remember a cool freebie(Maybe) of paticles, that had different alpha maps included to make anything from petals to sparkles??? Anyways, RedHawk it's in your MailBox! Later, Markus