Quote - sorr.. but being called 'Realism Police' kinda annoys me.

no it is not a 'political debate' - it was a discussion on making figures realistic until ppl who have no interest in the discussion came in and started to disrupt it. there is no 'politics' involved.

as to "realism evangelizers"... where?

there's been 1 thread in 3 weeks. if thats "realism evangelizers" then ye gods..

please get a grip on reality and calm down. and as I said :
***it's very simple you decide what you read and don't read.

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Ok, I agree it is not fair for me to use terms like "realism police" and "realism evangelism."  That's the kind of denigration of one's opponents which I was arguing against, so I was being hypocritical and I apologize for that lapse.

But you are wrong in claiming this is not a political debate, in the "small p" sense.  I've been using polygon limits as a convenient shorthand, but one of the other things I dislike about the existing Vicky meshes is the short shins.  That seems to be more a rigging issue more than a polygon count issue.  My problem is that the existing Vickys were apparently given (according to my aesthetic) overly-stubby shins to make them "more realistic."  The only way I've found to lengthen the shins to a more (to me) aesthetic length (about 10 percent longer) is to use the yscale parameter.  That then fouls up all conforming shoes and boots.  So the more I hear people pressuring Daz and other mesh makers to make more realistic base figure meshes, the more of these kinds of limits I believe I have to face in creating the figures I want.  In that way, it is very much a political debate because, again, politics as a process aimed at the resolution of conflicting demands, which I believe is manifest here.  And it is not just one thread in the last three weeks, though this one is a relatively insistent one.  I have seen countless comments in countless threads in my five years here where people express surprisingly truculent disdain for exagerated figures (esp. large breasts). 

And finally, if we're going to have a civil discussion, I will agree to stop using terms like "evangelism"; but I would also ask you to not tell me to get a grip on reality or to shut up.

cheers...