I'll put up the stock Bryce scene against it any day! (Way back in version 3 we were already making jokes about newbies and the mirror-texture sphere hovering over an endless water plane.) ((That teapot has a long and honorable 3d history, though. It could almost be called one of the archetypal objects.)) (((And I can't help seeing that some people still insist on seeing software preferences and usages as being a value judgement aimed at them personally. Look, sorry, averages trump. You want to be respected for using Poser, then you have to earn that as an individual. Does no good to cry "Validate me and my use of Poser; my art is just as worthy as yours is!" That still won't get you into Bruce's old Bryce Select gallery. Rendering in Bryce is required there.)))