looking at this thread it seems poser artists are just as voiciferous to those who don't use poser as the modellers are to poser users. stop the crappy name calling. stop lighting or fueling the fire of snobbery, stop retaliating. just do what you do where you can do it. same goes for the modellers. stop the snobbery and show some human kindness. stop bitchin and start aprecciating anothers efforts. if you don't like it fine. but stop trying to demean it. and the poser users. lots of you sit astride just as high a horse...get off it.  sorry but both sides of thise thread in many cases seem so purile. that teapot you did trekki.....i actually thought it looked good, genuinely good. if in you're show of parody or whatever you took the trouble to make it look right. you sorted the texture, you made the lid fit....then you castigate it as a run of the mill render. lets not tar all of either side of the 3d coin with the same brush. we have good and bad, skilled and not so skilled in both. instead of lashing out get some tuts done to help the beginners. do one or two about lighting, scenery, layout and composition, share the knowledge instead of procrastinating about it. same with the modellers. stop looking at people as though they're all skilled artists. look at them as human beings who are doing something they like or even love. make the models for them to use. explain how you made the models, tell them how you started modelling and what progs would be good if they wanted to start. stop the fucking bickering no ones a better person than anyone else and thats what it's all about, it isn't about art.it's about people, human beings....why not act like one...it would make for a better 3d world all round. this is also and mainly applicable to the other similar thread but i wrote it here first and realised it wasn't worth posting twice...probably not worth posting once but who cares .jmo

billy