Vittorio is capable of generating smaller men than muscle hunks. His base looks just like V4, but without breasts, and some slight adjustments here and there, at least to my eye. You can't beat 7.99 to bide your time while waiting for M4. And pdxjims mentioned in another thread at either Daz or PPros that PickersAngel has made a clothing set specifically for Vittorio. pdxjims will also be releasing a large number of freebies in a week or so when he returns from vacation. He released some body poses for free for Vittorio, and some of them make Vittorio almost look like Hiro in bodyshape, thin but lightly muscled. Just my thoughts.