Still missing the point. Whether Poser is "Art" is an interesting but ultimately futile discussion -- and as noted, it re-occurs at least once a month. Pengy's point, tho, was you can't whine about not being respected if you refuse to play by the same rules. You want respect among people who model and texture their own, model and texture your own. You want respect among luthiers, it doesn't matter how good you PLAY a guitar! And you want respect among comic-book artists, it doesn't matter how good you are with oils. (Well, actually, all artists with skill and talent and vision get respected, across all boundaries. Those luthiers enjoy a good oil painting! Take in this context "respect" as meaning "am allowed to post in the same galleries as them, can hang out in their forums and talk shop, et al.") As much as you articulately defend your own choices, the ultimate point here was about trying to change the rules of someone else's game to accommodate you. By the by, Penguinisto has been writing tirelessly for decades on 3d art. He has been steadfast in trying to improve the breed and fight for respect of all 3d arts in the larger artistic community. This was not a seagull posting.