"fraid not crimson. it would take more than what you could offer in words on the internet to achieve that lol" ~ Billy

Now why am I having a hard time believing that at the moment, but I'll take your word for it.

"sorry but i think you're confusing pain with ego" ~ Billy

Am I?  Well again you're entitled to your opinion.

"where did the sole worth stuff come from? as for judging them whilst they're at theire worst, it's all one can do if thats all you see. "  ~ Billy

Not really.  There are in fact a great many alternatives to that, one simply has to make the effort.

 
"all you're doing is extending a premise to something i replied to which no longer has validity to the thread in hand thereby taking it off at a tangent to what the reply was originally intended for.
but i'll bite lol. i have no responsabilty to play psych maid to a people who suffer from delusions of grandure. i am and have always been responsible for my own actions. according to what you say so should everybody be thereby negating the need for help. you can't have it both ways. as for living with myself..i do so on a daily basis without regret" ~ Billy

Oh, I thought it was quite valid to your original response Billy.  If you mean that you're disappointed I didn't respond as you might have prefered to your assuption then yes I suppose that would be correct.  It hardly invalidates the issue however.  Now to as to your having to "play psych maid to people who suffer from delusions of grandure" I don't believe anyone here asked you to.  Now as to your premise that that people being responsible for their own actions somehow invalidates any arguement that people sometimes need help I'm sorry but I don't believe the two are at all in conflict.  If, for example a person who has lived life as a responsible adult throughout there existance suddenly finds themselves trapped in a burning building do they not then need help?  And does it suddenly mean they are no longer responsible for their own actions?  I don't believe that would generally be accepted as being the case.  It's not a question of my "having it both ways" it simply is what it is like most things in life.

"crit doesn't have to be followed. it's an opinon, hopefully constructive but never binding. they can have, do and listen to what they want but if they ask publicly for a crit and i give it then it's given. what they do with it is up to them as long as they don't come crying about it to anyone who'll listen. this is one of the main reasons critique should never be critiqued. bad taste to ask for a personal opinion which is often what a critique is and then tell that person they're wrong. . a critique neither needs reply, explanation, condemnation or affirmation. either of which usually says more about the person being critiqued than the crit itself" ~ Billy

Critics have never been, that I'm aware of, any sort of immunity from being critiqued themselves.  And in fact I believe the old saying about "Don't dish it out if you can't take it" might perhaps come to mind.  Just as you are intitled to your opinion, Billy, the person that is being critiqued has the right to both their feelings and their own opinions and to express them.  Put another way, "For every action there is a reaction".

"people who stumble like the rest of us don't have to live up to any expectation. it's called life and living it doesn't gaurentee us a card to the who'll help me next club. whilst i agree everyone is in need of compassion and help. i disagree that they should be entitled to it all the time which is what you imply. don't we all make judgements before we commit. arent you judging me (i don't mind btw, ) are you showing me any compassion? or am i not worthy of it" ~ Billy

I don't rember making any statement to the effect that people are or are not entitled to help all of the time, Billy.  And I don't remember anyone forming a "who will help next" club anywhere in my community.  People do occasionally need help.  Dealing generally with people with compassion or with understanding when they are hurting is a good thing I think.  Depending on the situation one doesan't always have the luxery of time for assessment.  As to weather or not I'm judging you, Billy, I'm not actually.  I don't know you.  I am responding to what you are writing and I am assessing that in order to formilate a response best suited to it.  There is a differance.  In responding to your statements and questions I am indeed making an effort to be civil and yes if you prefer compassionate.  Weather or not you choose to see it is of course up to you.

Finally one last note.  I'm as proud today of my first render as the day that I made it.  Have I been able to see some small improvement in my meager understanding and as a result my small peices?  Certianly.  But looking at those first starting renders, for all their flaws they are as precious and special as they were when I first put them up.  In my short time here I've seen artists both old and new inovate and expand their scope of work and their techniques in ways that both astound me and invite my admiration.  I strongly believe that no matter what your choosen medium or area of concentration that such spirit should be encouraged.