they won't letcha delete the thread, mice. the main way to get 'em to delete a thread is to type things that are libellous or inflammatory, post warez requests, or post underage nudie pix :lol: however, I'd agree with billy. looking at the poser gallery here (and elsewhere), I'd rate most of 'em as zeroes on a 1-10 scale - the thumbnails are not even worth clicking on IMVHO. having been viewing poser renders for about 10 years now, I'd say at this point that less than 5% of 'em are excellent work, done by folks who know what they're doing. maybe that's the same average for any rendering app - not to single out poser as a cheap and lifeless piece of 3D crap, which it most definitely is not IMVHO.