Quote - BelleStudio,

When you use the word "awful", I have to wonder what you mean?

One meaning (the original) of awful is "inspiring awe or fear". I'm guessing that isn't what you meant?

The other meaning is generally accepted to be "extremely bad; unpleasant; ugly" - to which I have to respond with "what are you smoking"? I'm not going to argue that V4 joints are indistinguishable from real human joints. But what you're saying make no sense. Let's define the "envelope" of a character as the set of poses within which the appearance remains somewhat realistic, with only minimal distortions. I'm of the opinion that V3's envelope is much much smaller than V4's. I can't imagine anybody ever thinking that a fully bent V4 hip or knee is real, but come on, are you seriously suggesting this is not an enormous improvement over V3? So is her  envelope 100%? No way. But V3's envelope was closer to 10%, meaning 90% of the poses you could plausibly see a human making did not look real on V3. I'd venture to say that V4's envelope is at least 30% and maybe 50%, depending on how picky you are.

Don't show me an example of a V4 joint that looks fake. Any noob can find those. Show me examples of V4 and V3 joints in similar positions, where the V3 looks more real than the V4 joint. As far as I can tell, that's pretty difficult. On the other hand, I can show you at least a dozen distinctive V3 pose failures that V4 has corrected. I don't know why you used the word "awful", unless you're a troll, because it is certain the V4 will require less postwork than V3.

I think it is time for you to quit the kindergarden: Are you really convinced that making people bad will settle your point of view as a general truth? Real arguments do not need any nasty words or defamations like "what do you smoke" or "picky" and so on(!) So you think your point of view should be shared by the whole world? This will disappoint you. I wrote my opinion on this topic and your post certainly did not change anything in it since it is not an adults one obviously. You cannot discuss any facts but only your bruised ego ;) @Operaguy: Thank you for your artful renderings and your help. I never use such poses and I think I can recognize postwork when I see some. I have done enough myself. :)