*This is becoming ridiculous

*I agree with that.

Look, there are some seriously unnecessarily ruffled feathers here. I already explained the idiom "what are you smoking" - it is a commonly used American phrase that is humorous in it's absurdity. Nobody who says it actually is implying the person is doing drugs. If somebody doesn't know what it means, that's fine, but since you now do know what it means, why are we still talking about it? I completely understand that a non-American might not grasp the meaning or intent, but that isn't necessarily my fault, is it?

As for the word picky, once again I seem to be up against people who are parsing the sentence in a non-native English speaking way. When I said

"I'd venture to say that V4's envelope is at least 30% and maybe 50%, depending on how picky you are."

I was using the word "you" to mean anyone making the evaluation, not BelleStudio. In American English, it is considered pompous to use the more formal word "one" as in:

""I'd venture to say that V4's envelope is at least 30% and maybe 50%, depending on how picky one is."

People used to talk like that 50 years ago. I'm perfectly capable of using such formalisms, but when I do, then I am accused of "flowery speech".

Let me rephrase the sentence so that all can understand:

*The degree to which one is satisfied by the new joint system will largely depend on the severity of the pose one is attempting to employ, as well as the level of dissimilarity to real humans one is willing to tolerate. Having said that, I believe that most people would find that about half the conceivably useful poses the figure can take on are believably correcty, while those with more exacting requirements might dispute that figure and argue that only about a third are correct and look real.

*I'm not being sarcastic. That's what I meant and I think most people understood that. I'm sorry that my informal phrasing is confusing to non-native American English speakers, but I'm not about to start writing like a pompous ass just because some people need to learn a little more about common English speech.

And as for to this comment:

*But for Gods sake if you start a thread call it the right way like 'Flatterers only' or 'Tell me I´m great' because this is what it is all about, uh? 

*I'm going to point out, as politely as I can, that my thread was never about seeking flattery, and, pay attention now, I am offended by this comment. I don't need anybody to flatter me, and I never post a discovery for the purpose of receiving a pat on the back. I post what I learn so that others may benifit from the discovery.

My personal interests tend to be focused on the intricacies of producing realistic materials in computer generated images. I was impressed with the fact that Daz has released this figure with something more than just a painted on texture. I posted an image which I thought demonstrated how well the figure imitates human skin. I also gave a helpful hint on how to slightly adjust that shader to make it appear the way it did in my render.

If you think that shader is ugly, I'm fine with that. Nobody needs to compliment me. But I've shared literally hundreds of Poser shaders here and at RDNA - it's what I do for fun. Anyone who accuses me of posting for the purpose of receiving praise is speaking without any evidence or justification. Such comments are not only unconnected to any facts, but are themselves far more rude and offensive than anything I said.

I also wanted to point out that the morphs for V4 are very useful, and I backed that statement up with the render, demonstrating a figure that, in my opinion, shows significantly more possibilities than the earlier figure, V3, from a character creation standpoint.

There were several threads already discussing the merits of her joint system. I did not post about her joints, precisely because others had already done so. Yet her joints are so amazing that others jumped showing support and interest in the quality of this figure, from that standpoint. Great!

Then, in direct contradiction to all the evidence, BelleStudio jumps in using the word "awful", which means, to any English speaker, not just Americans, extremely bad. I am willing to consider the possibility that her joints are not anywhere near perfect. But if somebody says they are worse then V3, immediately after having been shown many times that the opposite is true, is confusing and provocative.

Now in public forums, when somebody makes intentionally provocative and demonstrably incorrect statements, it is usually the case that the conveyance of the stated opinion is not their intention. Rather, such statements are made for the sole purpose of getting an outraged reaction from the other participants. Such behavior is called "trolling" and the writer is called a troll. The word troll, for you non-English speakers, is used in this case reflecting it's meaning in fishing: to fish with a moving line, working the line up or down with a fishing rod, to catch a fish using a moving lure. Trolls travel around a forum, dangling provocative opinions unjustified by any supporting facts, for the purpose of getting what, for them, is an amusing reaction from the other participants.

Now it's my turn to make an observation. It may be that some of you are not being trolls. But your words sure make you seem like trolls.

Consider this - BelleStudio has only made 6 posts in all on Renderosity. Every single one of them has been in a post that has something to do with examining the quality and usefulness of the new V4 figure. She seems highly disposed to dislike it. But does she present any evidence that V4 joints, morphs, or shaders are inferior to V3.

*V4 looks like a not very good mixture of V3, A3 and Gloria and she has morphs similar to The Girl´s with no name other than "Estelle" or "Francoise" or such, which is not very informative actually.
Quite a washout in my eyes. :(

Unfortunately DAZ now develops figures which are better adapted to the DAZ software than to Poser 5 and higher versions. Therefore major problems occur when using such figures and you need extra care to save your files.
Not a serious model in my eyes!

YOU ARE NOT ALONE !
LOL!
I will stick to V3, A3 and Miki ;)

*This looks like troll behavior. 

Or, it is a person who desperately wants to believe that her investment in V3 is not superceded by a new character, and that her continued use of V3 will not be ridiculed.

I don't care if either, both, or neither of those assessments are true. What I do care about is there is a person flinging disparaging comments about a figure. People read these forums to learn what others have experienced with products. When someone spews such invective about a product, it seems to me highly misleading and does a disservice to the other readers who are genuinely seeking information about the product.

So all of you dissenters need to stop reacting to my supposed motivations, intentions, and needs that you have fabricated out of thin air. I have tried very hard to clearly and unambiguously state here my motivations, intentions, and needs. If you refuse to take me at my word, than that's your problem.

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