I have to say(add), that I can't remember a time when so many 3D programs had an update version all at once like this(like 10 or more). Many have jumped ship with Bryce(as stated in some posts on forum here) and are learning the new apps. Holidays in the past, I've seen at least, more people add on forums, than fall off. Not alot of pictures or WIP's are being posted either, after 6.0 was released(render times maybe??). I've stuck with Bryce because it is VERY simple to use and work with, but yet also very powerful, which alot people don't see. It should pick up after the holidays, when Santa gave that shiny new computer hardware to use. :biggrin: