Nice work ominous, Branches - have you played with the propagation options in the tree generator to move the branches? Sameness - a great way to hide duplicates is to allow a 360 degree random rotation when you use the surface replicator. The option is towards the bottom of the replicator window. Shadows - a distant light with soft shadows set to 2000 or better will fix that. Looking forward to seeing more. We just got 18 more inches of snow where I live last night. :D Mark