At the end of the day, Daz could have gone about this in a more customer frindly way... However they are running a business at the end of the day and in a matter of months V4 will be the new standard for poser female human models. In less than a year V3 will be living in the back reaches of the hard drive with all the other older models and we will all be singing the praises of V4 and worshipping at the shrine of Daz. (you may disagree but you know it is true) For what its worth curiosity actually got the better of me and I am gonna get me a V4... well it was gonna happen sooner or later I may as well ump on the bandwagon from the start. Gonzo