Acadia, Those freebie alien models were created by the lightwave modelers in the freebie links, the Alien Space jockey's modeling was shown from satrt to finish in posts at Lw3d by Sean Kennedy. Like wise the narcissus, these guys are pros, why would they rip off some poor amateur, when they can model it better themselves? These models that are being brokered on es3d.com are the rip offs. Really nasty as the originals are free. Ron